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Maintainer Meeting (25 October 2025)


**Attendees:**
- Myra
- Simyon
- PJB
- Errant
- Scar
- Julian
- Ada
- Tiniest shark
- Slarti
- Princess cheeseballs
- Orks
- Slam
- Roomba

This meeting was recorded:

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BLOCKER? - Bwoinkwindow pinning broken (Errant)

  • Admins can't pin users in the bwoink list. Apparently broken by stylenano changes
    • Fix open #41093 Seems fine, but it needs to be rebased because it wasn't branched off of staging
    • PR merged to staging, should be fine now.

meow

Killing StyleNano for good (Janet)

  • We have the sheetlets PR (#29903) in, which breaks up 99% of the styles used in the game into a more maintainable ofrm

  • StyleNano is marked as deprecated and lost a lot of functionality

  • When do we want to pull the plug for good and outright remove StyleNano.cs?

    • No harm in keeping it until we remove everything that uses it.
    • Kept for downstream compatibility.

  • Proposal: 2 stable cycles from now (~4 weeks)

    • Just remove it when it's no longer fully used and then nuke it (see above, downstream compatibility)

  • Slam: Any guide/instructions available on how sheetlets work? Thinking documentation-wise, as that was an issue with StyleNano.

    • #269 prioritise this.
    • This isn't really relevant to this topic in particular.

  • **No stated maintenance overhead, there is no reason to debate this any more than any other [Obsolete] tag, which we have plenty of.

Remember to vote on the Wizard poll (Princess)

nya~~~

Super Synth Vote (Princess)

  • Main discussion post. (https://forum.spacestation14.com/t/clarifying-the-supersynth-removal-and-my-perspective/24588)

  • For clarification this is a vote as to whether or not we should have a midi-restricted super synth be admin only.

    • Princess: I think it should be unrestricted for reasons listed in the thread and my own. Super Synth doesn't need to be admin only if it's not capable of crashing clients anymore. Implementation is a seperate issue which can be voted on seperately.
    • Princess: In addition to consider: Using a super synth over a DAW heavily restricts the instruments you can use when playing in a one-man-band.
      • Princess: These aren't niche instruments either, this stops you from using most instruments aside from pianos and percussion
      • Princess: Using bands to enhance your midis is very common, and I've seen a number of musicians who wouldn't have any use for a super synth just this week, since they had their hands occupied with a guitar/microphone in their band. The DAW is a much better instrument if you don't mind staying in one place or being slower dragging it around.
      • Princess: Super Synth is effectively a convenience option for a traveling musician, in that regard it should be rare and restricted but ultimately it will never be as good as a proper DAW band setup.
      • Slam: Been playing more instruments ingame to test this and I honestly prefer large instruments, even when patrolling around the station, since dragging frees up your hand whereas held instruments require the active hand. (I will not stoop to using handsfree harmonica.)
    • Slarti: I think introducing a admin and non-admin version of the super synth is just really messy and is the whole reason why there was so much confusion about this in the first place. We should have a requirement that admin and non-admin items should be clearly distinguishable. So if you want to add an instrument that can do what the super synth does but keep the midi limitations then add a new item for it, or resprite and rename the admin version a new admin-synth.
    • Slarti: Also it should not just be something you can order at cargo. The DAW already has the same purpose, but you have to put in a little effort to obtain it (and the flatpacker thing is clearly a bug). At least make it a little more interesting where you craft it by duct taping a bunch of instruments together for example. But a cargo order that directly obsoletes all other instruments seems boring from a gameplay perspective to me. And if the goal is to make it available to musicians than allow them to do so without having to convince cargo to gamble a ton of spesos until they find this one item.

  • Admeme items should be clearly marked

  • Introduce (soft) policy to disallow adding admin only items, possibly.

  • Signpost that a PR being merged does not greenlight it for inclusion within the game / stable.

    • Upstream has a different direction, people can always PR downstream.
    • do that ™️

Silicon Workgroup (ScarKy0)

There is currently a document up for the creation of the Silicon workgroup. Not really a topic to speak about during the meeting however id appreciate if someone found some time to drop feedback.

The document can be found here and the forum post here.

  • Will be done after meeting.

Stable review


Write your name here if you read this list fully.
**I checked this PR list:**
- Slam
- ScarKy0
- Errant
- Slarti
- Princess
- Myra
- aada
- Emo
- Tiniest Shark

  • 32537 Slime organs metabolizing slime restores blood level + halves slime hunger satiation when consumed by a slime organ

    • Errant: That is one of the titles ever. Don't be affraid to edit the PR text before merging, if it needs a touch-up

  • 41016 Allow matches to be placed into ash trays

  • 40220 goats eat kudzu again

  • 38076 Resprite Maint Hatch + New Syndicate Hatch

  • 40580 Entity Effects ECS Refactor

  • 40850 Changed Soviet soda vending machine name

  • 38225 Adds a guidebook reference table for silicon lawsets

  • 40196 Make SmartFridges airtight

  • 39761 Rename "trash" reagent to "reprocessed material"

    • Princess: Trash as a reagent should really be removed in favor of letting voxes digest actual things like steel, plastic or silicon.
    • Adding more effects will bloat the guidebook text even more
      • Compact it further to improve UI

  • 40842 slime guidebook change

  • 40880 Rollerbed & Bodybag tweaks

  • 40908 New botany poster

  • 39370 Improve lying trait grammar

  • 40926 Ashtrays can contain ashes and matches

    • Errant: This is literally a subset of #41016, what happened here?

  • 34935 Grenade penguin htn

  • 40867 Bring sky blue carpet in line with other carpets

  • 39210 Fix custom MIDI instruments sounding incorrect; add two more microphone instrument options

    • Princess: We should let scurrets use the two new instruments as a natural ability.
      • Simyon: I agree, but this is a feature request. Make an issue :godo:

  • 35636 Add "Reset to default" verb to TriggerOnVoice

  • 39103 add the diona typing indicator to the FloraTree entity

  • 40904 Remove two obsolete buttons from the Admin UI

  • 40878 Added Vox Chitter and Clicking

  • 39515 Add GenpopLeave and GenpopEnter to Security accesses

  • 40818 Remove rag forensics cleaning

    • Errant: Okay so I missed this and the vote and it's a bit late now, but. Would it not be a better solution to add some sort of identifiable forensic leftover to it that acts similar to the soap residue? Seems like a better solution than just removing it as an option entirely
      • Princess: The issue is, this is an infinite use item that can be crafted with 1 cloth by anyone. It completely invalidates soap and even if you gave it a specific residue, there would be no way of knowing which rag was used since unlike soap it doesn't get used up.
        • Give soap an examinable solution to gauge usage easier.

  • 39764 Slightly resprited the service borg

  • 40955 Cargo orders that contain beverages now come in freezers

  • 39104 All pens embed

    • Slam: Dubious of this. Last time we did this it resulted in borgs being pelted by pens and seeing them stuck in steel walls (???). Not saying "Revert", I just expect us to get tired of this pretty quickly again.
      • Princess: Needed to prevent metagaming the explosive pen. We also have the smite can which embeds now, even if it's much less common.
      • Scar: Alternative option is to make explosive pens only embed when ticking. Alternative alternative option is to allow entities to unembed things even without hands.
    • Slarti: I'm not a fan of the "make everything embedd" trend, we repeatedly get PRs for this. It just looks jank visually and especially for pens it's easy to spam them. At least someone should rework the visuals first. (I can't seem to upload a gif here, see the discord thread to see what I mean)
      • Princess: Alternatively we could use triggers to make it so the explosive pen doesn't embed until it has been clicked? That might be less messy. We could just have all pens deal 1 damage but the explosive pen only embeds once it has been armed.
      • Emo: I'd rather just have the pen only embed when armed. Being able to stick someone with 20 pens that just linger on their body looks incredibly bad. The previous PR was rejected for the same reason so I'm not sure why it wasn't brought up again as a concern.

  • 40054 Ninja headset

  • 40970 Adding cotton seeds to cargo seeds crate

  • 38542 Lets monkeys & kobolds shove/disarm!

  • 40944 Silicon lawset book and Law boards can now point to the list of lawsets.

  • 34127 New job lizard plushies + Job-specific trinkets loadout

    • Slarti: The ones for the trainee roles are unobtainable because you get locked out of the role before unlocking it, see 41095
    • Do not loadout it. Confine it to job lockers as a rare spawn (e.g. Paramedic plushie spawns in Paramedic locker)

  • 37681 Large thruster

  • 40995 Added the cosmetic carp suit to the autodrobe inventory

    • Emo: Why do we bother freezing new roundstart clothing items if we're going to keep merging shit anyways. The autodrobe is already extremely overfilled with more than 60 items in it. It's a little bit ridiculous that fluff clothing is THE bloat item and yet we still don't actually handle it correctly.
      • This one is purely cosmetic, added to curb metagaming of the Hardsuit version of the carp suit.

  • 40998 Consistency fix for soap making

  • 36244 Criminal console status expansion

  • 36378 Feature/door remote radial

  • 40542 Changed Vox Head Marking Point Limit To 4

  • 40538 Add doafter to filling the hypopen

  • 41027 Changed mindswaps cooldown from 5 minutes to 3 minutes

  • 41018 Move ChemMaster buffer sort button out of transfer/discard button group

  • 41031 added seclight to hos locker

  • 41038 Changes Slippery Slope to not require a robe and hat for casting.

  • 41013 Toilet cistern stashes spawn containing basic loot

    • Slam: These new prototypes could be further expanded to fix the "build new toilet -> plunger them for loot" "exploit" that exists right now.
    • Emo: The entity tables used for the toilet loot are just duped versions of the maint loot table. It really should just be reusing existing tables as it's basically just the maint locker fill but with different weights and extra maintenance for an extremely obscure feature.
    • Slarti: I agree with Emo, this should be using one of the existing loot tables.
    • Make issue on github for this. Not a blocker.

  • 40318 Hand labeler UI improvements

Niko is a cat

:3

nik is a cat :3